Episode 10 – Operation Gundam Capture

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    Allelujah Haptism… you weren't worthy of being a Gundam Meister, either.

    Questions of the Day:

    1) Were you expecting Virtue to have a second, smaller Gundam inside of it?

    2) What do you think would have happened if the HRL had made it off with either Kyrios or Virtue?

    Wallpapers of the Day:

    GN-005 Gundam Virtue

    Tieria Erde and GN-005 Gundam Virtue


    Rewatchers, please remember to be mindful of all the first-timers in this. No talking about or hinting at future events no matter how much you want to, unless you're doing it underneath spoiler tags. Don't spoil anything for the first-timers, that's rude!

    Additionally, for long-time fans of the franchise, please remember that this rewatch is only for 00, not any of the other shows. Assume that there are people in this rewatch who have not seen anything else Gundam, and tag your spoilers for those shows appropriately if something in 00 makes you want to talk about them.

    by Shimmering-Sky

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    1. Shimmering-Sky on

      **Rewatch Host Wishing Over This Airspace, subbed**

      [Welcome back, everyone!](#michaelwink)

      Surprise surprise with the double wallpaper today! Technically the second one is just a combination edit, but hey, it’s still a second one. Expect the other three main Gundams (I’m not doing Nadleeh yet, don’t have a good base image for it) with their pilots over the next few days. [](#mugiwait)

      – [Saji in a nutshell.](https://i.imgur.com/5jJeVfW.png) [](#cantbehelped)

      – [I love how the HRL has nicknames for the Gundams since they don’t know their *actual* names.](https://i.imgur.com/wSF39za.png)

      – [Allelujah is *so* out of it…](https://i.imgur.com/8tr8X4s.png) [](#therethere)

      – Does it count as a Gundam-jacking if [they can’t even get inside the cockpit?](https://i.imgur.com/m1eKYAu.png)

      – [Sergei “sore demo”!](https://files.catbox.moe/la0n0r.mp4)

      – [Aaaaaaaaaaaaand Hallelujah is out.](https://i.imgur.com/b2iwWyA.png) [](#crazedlaugh)

      – [Operation Capture the Winged One: Failure.](https://i.imgur.com/ikqff5Z.png)

      – [Ah, there’s a Tieria “sore demo” too!](https://files.catbox.moe/6n4uod.mp4)

      – [It’s not the “Big One” for nothing!](https://i.imgur.com/YXrs4zg.png) [](#mugistronk)

      – [Mm…](https://i.imgur.com/GNrcUuN.png)

      – An eagle-eyed watcher could have caught *Virtue* being referred to as GN-005 on a few display screens in previous episodes, because [*Nadleeh* is GN-004.](https://i.imgur.com/mTsj8xx.png)

      – [Speaking of Nadleeh, it is fabulous.](https://i.imgur.com/WzqMSuf.png) [](#romance)

      – [Dang, Tieria actually *can* cry.](https://i.imgur.com/02kjzKX.png)

      – u/Nazenn, I have to admit I laughed upon reading your comment yesterday complaining about all the flags Lockon raised just for [everyone to survive](https://i.imgur.com/hapGJYB.png) and no one even *actually* got captured. [](#azusalaugh)

      – [The whole pincher thing to the cockpit alone would be an awful way to die](https://i.imgur.com/FW55zsg.png), but then [Hallelujah makes it even *worse* by drawing it out…](https://i.imgur.com/eFQgi93.png) [](#godisdead)

    2. **Rewatcher, First Time Sub**

      Smirnov was so close to victory, however if nothing else it was a slight victory on the psychological front. On the one hand his team was able to knock Tieria down off his pedestal who’s had a high opinion of himself up till this point. Of course Tieria still won his match but was forced to reveal his Gundam’s new form, so to Tieria it was equal to a loss.

      We finally learn what Allelujah’s deal is. He’s got a sort of slight Jekyll/Hyde going on with his other persona, Hallelujah who we briefly saw in Episode 5. Hallelujah is more violet though possibly a better fighter as he breaks out of being trapped and forces Smirnov and Soma to withdraw and leaving poor Lieutenant Ming to his fate (it was his choice though to remain behind). Hallelujah seems aware and frank about his views such as when he states “What order does a society have that rebuilds its own people to create soldiers” adding an interesting element to his character. Whatever the case Allelujah is left with an existential crisis of sorts wondering about his own character and his nature.

      Sumeragi also has an interesting moment at the end when she breaks muttering about her mistakes. It was a victory but rather Pyrrhic and they are all left deeply shaken about the event.

    3. **Rewatcher, Sub-dam Meister**

      [I’ll bet.](https://i.imgur.com/pBfXzBQ.jpeg)

      [That would seem logical.](https://i.imgur.com/xCO00RM.jpeg)

      [These poor bastards.](https://i.imgur.com/9de4wof.jpeg)

      [You throw that phrase around a lot, Tieria.](https://i.imgur.com/uM8xnFK.jpeg) Sure would be a shame if you fucked up in this very episode.

      [I like that the Tieran can purge ruined limbs.](https://i.imgur.com/daLrUNo.jpeg)

      [Funny how both commanders have said that, now.](https://i.imgur.com/LxxuvFs.jpeg)

      [Without full use of its limbs, too.](https://i.imgur.com/UQLSE3i.jpeg)

      [Surprise!](https://i.imgur.com/uRHK25b.jpeg) I’m writing these a bit ahead of time, so I won’t know if anyone noticed that Virtue had been labeled as GN 005 before now. But if you know what to look for, it’s there. Like a lot of this show.

      If you’re wondering why a Gundam has hair, [well..]>!they’re cables.!<

      [Permanently.](https://i.imgur.com/zdhD9X0.jpeg) You couldn’t *permanently* capture a Gundam.

      [Just Hallelujah Things.](https://i.imgur.com/zsbNPit.jpeg)

      [I like how Kyrios’s shield is burnt from the explosion.](https://i.imgur.com/yZQc3IA.jpeg)

    4. **First-Timer**

      **On today’s episode of Gundam:** Celestial Being would do well to remember one of the cardinal rules of warfare: No plan of battle survives first contact with the enemy. They could learn something from von Moltke the Elder.

      – Everyone who sees Saji and Louise interact immediately figures out who is in charge of the relationship. [](#kotohoops)

      – Wow, Sergei is putting the pieces together quite quickly. He realized that Allelujah is the pilot he met previously and that Allelujah is probably from the same genetic engineering program as Soma. [](#glasses-push)

      – I notice that only Allelujah is freaking out while Soma seems to be unaffected. I remember that the HRL scientist said they had made adjustments so that Soma shouldn’t be affected by Newtype resonances in the future. I guess he was telling the truth. [](#schemingsaten)

      – Allelujah got captured a lot more easily than I expected.

      – Well shit, Tieria is the worst person to show up for a rescue. He would gladly kill Allelujah and destroy the Gundam just to maintain secrecy. [](#ohfuck)

      – It’s hilarious how indignant Tieria sounds that someone dared to evade his attacks. [](#rinkek)

      – And Soma is similarly indignant towards Tieria. [](#kukuku)

      – Really cool that Soma can eject the damaged limbs from her mobile suit. I love that it has that functionality. [](#mechablush)

      – Oh shit, Allelujah broke out of the ship from the inside!

      – The HRL has come up with so many fancy gadgets to capture a Gundam.

      – Holy moly this fight is intense! The Virtue has so many weapons on it! But I love the coordination of the HRL team in trying to subdue the Gundam. [](#SPORTS)

      – [What the!?!](#bigshock) The Virtue shed its armor! What’s going with Tieria’s eyes? It’s called the Nadleeh now!? 

      – Tieria is really torn up about the fact that he had to use the Nadleeh earlier than planned for. After all, he’s obviously worthy of being a Gundam pilot. He’s not a failure like Setsuna or Allelujah. There’s no way someone as perfect as him could possibly screw up the plan, right? [](#whowouldathunkit)

      – Tieria is a robot and Veda is his “parent.” I’m calling it now. [](#thinkingtoohard)

      – “Ore wa…”, “Boku wa…”, “Watashi wa…”? Tiera is just cycling through the first-person terms in Japanese. What’s up with that? [](#csikon)

      – Oh dear, Allelujah has switched personalities again. It’s Hallelujah now! [](#panic)

      – [RIP Ming](#toradorasalute) He sacrificed himself for his comrades.

      – [Holy shit… **That’s fucked up…**](#gasp) Hallelujah is a total sadist. He didn’t just kill Ming. He *enjoyed* it. He savored the feeling of control over another person’s life. That is the hallmark of a sadist right there.

      – Allelujah has quite the internal conflict. He hates killing but his other personality revels in it.

      – Everyone is quite torn up that something went wrong and things didn’t go perfectly according to plan.

      – That sounds like a lie, Alejandro. He’s fine observing for now, but he’s probably just waiting for the right opportunity to take action himself.

      It seems like the people in Celestial Being practically worship the Plan. From what I can gather, the Plan was created by Aeolia centuries ago. It seems that Celestial Being has been working tirelessly behind the scenes for all that time to carry out the Plan. I still think it’s some variation of psychohistory, with Aeolia having predicted how the next centuries would play out. Veda is a computer created by Aeolia to oversee the implementation of the Plan, giving instructions and guidance to all the members of Celestial Being centuries later. It’s still possible that Aeolia’s consciousness was uploaded to the computer as well.

      Since everything has been dictated to the members of Celestial Being by Veda, they have a worshipful reverence to the Plan. Obviously there’s a lot of variance in how much devotion each person has, but overall they follow it very closely. There’s this underlying belief that the Plan is perfect and as long as they adhere to the Plan, then everything will work out. When things went wrong this episode, the characters all blamed it on the people involved. Sumeragi and Tieria blamed themselves, for example. Mei wondered if Veda had chosen the wrong people to implement the Plan. The assumption for the people is that the Plan is perfect. The Plan cannot fail, it can only be failed by others. It really is an object of worship for them.

      This episode gave some more insight into Allelujah. It’s clear that he was traumatized in his childhood by his experiences in the HRL’s genetic engineering program. That trauma is what led to the birth of the Hallelujah personality. Hallelujah is a sadistic monster, but he acts that way as a response to Allelujah’s trauma. When he was in the genetic engineering program, Hallelujah said that they were broken as people to be molded into soldiers. He had his own bodily autonomy and agency robbed from him. He was ground down to be rebuilt as nothing but a soldier to serve the HRL. Hallelujah’s sadism is an attempt to reclaim control. He had control of his own body robbed from him, so now he takes it out on others to psychologically take back that lost control. Of course, that doesn’t make Hallelujah’s actions any less fucked up.

      This episode also started to give me a bit more info about Tieria. He seems especially desperate to follow Veda’s orders and stick to the Plan. Tieria seems to need to prove that he is the perfect Gundam pilot, unlike the pilots he considers failures (meaning Setsuna and Allelujah). Tieria’s eyes got weird and almost mechanical looking this episode, so I’m going to say he’s a robot. I think he was a robot created by Veda to carry out the Plan. Because of this, Tieria especially venerates Veda and wants to prove his worth. The events of this episode will be a major blow to Tieria’s self-image. Honestly though, he deserves to be taken down a couple notches because of what a callous asshole he’s been.

      **QOTD**

      1) No, I was not expecting the Virtue to be a Matryoshka doll.

      2) Allelujah being captured would be interesting. He might have an opportunity to get to know Soma and that would have led to potential developments. The HRL might attempt to force Allelujah to be a soldier for them again. Or Allelujah might make Soma start to question her place in the world and whether she should seek out something different for herself. I’m not sure what might come of Tieria being captured. Maybe we would get confirmation he’s a robot. Maybe he’d try to self-destruct rather than be captured.

    5. **First Timer**

      [Saji’s complete incompetence](https://imgur.com/a/ltFlJv2) is honestly surprisingly funny, idk I feel like I enjoy him a lot more than most characters of his archetype.

      [](#fuukothumbsup)

      [We’ve got to tone it down with the jinxing in this show.
      ](https://imgur.com/a/MbW00g6)

      [](#kyonfacepalm)

      [Major screw up indeed](https://imgur.com/a/w7c4cau)…but not for Allelujah!

      After this episode I’m kind of inclined to think that perhaps [Tieria’s standoffish-ness](https://imgur.com/a/QraNITq) is a form of projection, he’s[ insanely devoted to Veda](https://imgur.com/a/YgaVO1f) and maybe he doesn’t even view himself as capable of carrying out its plans, so he takes it out on everyone else, the one who tells everyone else they’re not worthy may feel unworthy himself.

      Either way this is a very bad look for him after doing nothing but talking shit for these last few episodes.

      [](#kukuku2)

      I don’t know if I should love or hate that thanks to /u/Shimmering-Sky and Symphogear respectively, I immediately notice soredemo and dato shitemo now and how [Tieria saying both of them together](https://imgur.com/a/Dtkm2Cv) just activated all of my neurons

      [](#gintamathispleasesme)

      [The Nadleeh is very cool](https://imgur.com/a/PTiBwAt), gotta love taking off the armor to reveal an even stronger form, this also has me wondering if all the other Gundams have second forms, [the way he activates it](https://imgur.com/a/7djcAsI) also has me interested.

      [](#curious)

      I like the [little parallel](https://imgur.com/a/Ycio2In) between Sergei and Sumeragi, both of them as the tacticians here have failed, Sumeragi’s mistakes have revealed the weaknesses and abilities of the Gundams while Sergei wasted a ton of resources to get nothing, they themselves come out unscathed but their factions took a real hit.

      Hallelujah is…uh very edgy? I kind of love it though? I mean it’s *very* hard to take him seriously, [like wow](https://imgur.com/a/ZYm2LjH), but I also find that extremely entertaining.

      I guess how much I’ll like him and his “relationship” with Allelujah is entirely dependent on how seriously they try to play his character from now on, I do think their dynamic and what it says on Allelujah is interesting, his reluctance and dislike of killing probably comes as a reasonable side effect of having a psychotic mass murderer for a second personality.

      [](#azusalaugh)

      Huge shoutout to Hiroyuki Yoshino on his performance here, he’s obviously a typecast for crazy characters like Hallelujah but his Allelujah voice is different enough that I honestly hadn’t even noticed it’s him and I love how he transitions between the two.

      [](#seasonallisten)

      [Liu Mei has a point here](https://imgur.com/a/qWHLlyL), why was this team, comprised of rather rash and flawed individuals who can’t get along with each other, specifically chosen by Veda?

      [](#rengethink)

      [You do work for the U.N after all…
      ](https://imgur.com/a/IoKhKwI)

      [](#sassyimouto)

    6. **First timer, subs**

      * [Cute Outfits](#neat)
      * OMG, the mom’s plan is effective.
      * I’m not sure I’d count two stands as a net.
      * And this is before them even weaponizing it. How long until we see a quantum brainwave cannon?
      * If he dies, he dies.
      * This is not how you boom and zoom.
      * [Part Ejection](#rengehype)
      * Grappling launchers? This really is Code Geass.
      * Oh, I’m sorry. With that hair, it’s clearly FMP.
      * The hair is nice, but I can’t say I like this design better overall.
      * Set lasers to “tickle”.
      * [Driver Claw](#neat)
      * [These Names **I Can’t**](#azusalaugh) Please tell me someone didn’t name both of their children this.
      * You’re telling me you couldn’t have collected one of those ejected pieces as you retreated? Look at ‘em all.
      * Maybe because your recruiting base is traumatized children?

      I hope this wasn’t the last appearance of chunky mode. We need more bulk Gundams.

    7. baboon_bassoon on

      first timer who [has control](https://imgur.com/nFf4eA6)

      ___

      [you picked the wrong Gundam to go after](https://imgur.com/4RTD5nd)

      0 hesitation to destroy Allelujah

      Soma is really making Tieria look like a chump out there

      [oh nevermind he hit the install](https://imgur.com/FWE8cjr)

      Nadleeh looks uh really weird with the hair

      I am… I am… I am… (a Gundam)

      Hallelujah vs Allelujah my poor sweet boy what did they do to you

      oh wait Ribbons is Furuya [](#suddenshock)

    8. **Episode 10 (first timer)**

      * “rather weak willed” – quite unlike the two ladies.
      * Recap cold opening into OP into recap narration is a bit overkill.
      * Allelujah is as a distinct disadvantage, not having a newtype blocker.
      * And a recap flashback in the first 5 minutes. Did they run out of production time for this episode?
      * Tieria to the rescue – and unlike the other three, he has not forgotten how to aim.
      * “This is a major screw up!” – Yes, but not really by Allelujah.
      * I spoke too soon about the aiming.
      * “At this close range, even if the bullets are deflected …” – they might do some damage. However, *if* they are deflected, they are going to deflect right back into you.
      * Allelujah wakes up and smashes the ship – They probably needed to keep Soma close to him.
      * “That will not stop me” “Not even that will …” “Not even that!”

      [](#laughter)

      * Gundam OP! Please nerf!
      * It was Hallelujah that woke up, not Allelujah.
      * “I am a cold-blooded beast” – seems like the sanity is very unevenly distributed in this pair.
      * Nadleeh – Evolved version of the Gundam. They are all rather unhappy about showing this early. I am not sure what the exact plan was, but it is embarrassing being this OP and still having to go one stage higher.
      * Bouncing off the wall in zero-g when you punch it.

      [](#utahapraises)

      * “Why are the Meisters so imperfect?” – recruiting issue.

      Props to the HRL, that was a good fight they gave it, despite being seriously outclassed. Not keeping Soma near Allelujah was a mistake, but they had extremely little information to go on. Overall an A tier fight.

    9. *A Gundam Fan Rewatches Gundam 00 Episode 10:*

      – Hard to say who has it worse with women issues at the moment: Saji having to deal with how dismissive Louise’s mother is after being dragged to that dinner, or Allelujah’s brain melting due to Soma being nearby and being captured. Clearly there’s multiple similar struggles happening across the Earth Sphere, that’s for sure.

      – We did it! We got a classic “It’s a Gundam!” from Soma! While not yelled as dramatically as usual, it still counts.

      – Oh Colonel Sergei, if only you knew Tieria. He’s so surprised that the Gundam Virtue would shoot at the ship that has Gundam Kyrios in it, but we all know that Tieria has basically been frothing at the mouth to eliminate someone he doesn’t see as worthy of being a Gundam Meister. It was either going to be Allelujah or Setsuna, and I guess luck has it so that it would be the first option there.

      – Well, I guess it’s Tieria’s turn to get dunked on. Between the Tieren Taozi running circles around Gundam Virtue and Colonel Sergei exploiting the time delay between shots that he’s noticed to restrain him, it’s proving that Tieria isn’t all the hot stuff he believes himself to be. He can stand to be taken down a peg or two, given how he so clearly thought himself to be the best Gundam Meister on the team.

      – Surprise! There was a smaller Gundam inside the bigger Gundam Virtue! Say hello to Gundam Nadleeh, everyone! This is the reason why Virtue has the serial number of GN-005, Nadleeh is GN-004. The name Nadleeh comes from the Navajo word for “Two-Spirit”, in this case a reference to the bulky Virtue having the slender Nadleeh underneath.

      – Also, fun fact: In the early plot drafts of Gundam 00, Gundam Nadleeh was going to be called the Queen Gundam, along the lines of that chess motif that got scrapped. It also had a lot of its conceptualized abilities outright scrapped, like it having some kind of long-range telekinetic grabbing and restraint system and also having no real weaknesses being taken out. I can get why though, since although it does fit the idea of how powerful the Queen is in chess, that’s also an absolutely OP level of power. That’d probably end up being kind of weird to have around and not use all the time compared to how much Rook/Virtue gets used.

      – Colonel Sergei is right that this all kind of ended up as a waste of time and men. He lost a lot without even getting a little bit of Gundam to take back with him. Although it’s not exactly looking that great on Celestial Being’s end either, since Tieria is crying about revealing their trump card too early, and also not to mention how messy things got for them a bit there. It was a manpower loss for the HRL but a morale and information loss for Celestial Being.

      – Lt. Ming: “Honor my sacrifice, colonel!” *two minutes later* “OH GOD OH FUCK WHY DID I SACRIFICE MYSELF.”

      – As much as I joke about Lt. Ming’s death, it really is horrific. For as brave as you’d want to be in the face of death, it’s a bit hard to keep up the stiff upper brow when you’ve got a guy slowly stabbing and roasting you alive with heat blades. Hallelujah really is a sadistic one, isn’t he? He certainly enjoys his role of being Allelujah’s violent protector.

      – It’s a paradox, isn’t it? Like Wang says, the Gundams are the perfect tools of Aeolia Schenberg’s ideals, but the pilots are imperfect choices. But I guess Veda still chose them for a reason, warts and all. There’s no way to try to remove the imperfections out of mankind, you have to work with and understand them. It’s what makes us human, after all. Perhaps it’s all the imperfections and things that the Gundam Meisters have experienced that have led Veda to select them in the first place?

    10. **First Timer – Sub**

      Welp, I’m caught up again. Does Allelujah have a split personality? With one side being completely psychotic? I honestly did not see that coming. And it looks things are just fallimg apart in general for Celestial Being.

      As far as Tieria goes…aw, poor baby realised he isn’t perfect. Diddums.

      Eh, not much to say right now. Although…

      > Why are the Meisters so imperfect?

      HIRE SOME BLOODY THERAPISTS ALREADY.

    11. **Rewatcher, Subbed**

      **[Non-Spoiler Character Chart](https://i.imgur.com/08Tama7.jpeg)** – No changes since yesterday.

      ***

      Louise is very cute in her outfit. Saji on the other hand is in no outfit at all. And wasn’t even invited! In a show that is for the most part so serious, this Louise’s Mother comes to visit and finds Saji useless storyline comes off like a total waste of time. We already know how weak willed Saji is, bringing Louise’s mom into it wasn’t necessary. I suppose they needed something for them to do during an extended space battle sequence for Celestial Being.

      How to catch a Gundam? Make it simple, throw a net around it!

      Given Allelujah’s now one-sided freakouts, if they simply knew more about it, the Human Reform League/Sergei simply has to send Soma out there and they’ve neutralized 25% of Celestial Being’s combat capabilities.

      Upon learning that the Gundam they’ve captured is the one that helped him rescue all those people, what is Sergei, one of the few decent guys in this show going to do?

      We just had a useless recap, now we’re gonna waste another 20 – 30 seconds on replaying a flashback from just a few episodes ago?

      That was about the easiest time anyone will ever have capturing a Gundam. Heck, at this point they can try to capture multiple Gundams.

      What happens when Soma joins the other mobile suits elsewhere on the battlefield and gets a lengthy distance away from Kyrios? Does Allelujah regain consciousness?

      Is Tieria gonna destroy the Kyrios and kill Allelujah rather than let them be captured? If so he’s a lot more gung ho about this than [Gundam Wing]>!Heero, who claimed he’d kill his fellow Gundam pilots or the Gundam scientists whenever they got captured… then failed to do it a single time.!<

      Turns out that When she isn’t going crazy Soma’s a pretty good pilot, totally holding her own against Tieria.

      Is Hallelujah back? There goes that transport vessel. Perhaps Sergei’s team got too greedy.

      Gotta hand it to Sergei’s team, now they’ve got ahold of Virtue too.

      The episode crashed on me the second Soma was about to strike the Virtue. Is this a sign of something? I suppose that something big was gonna happen as Virtue shows its true form once I start things back up again. No wonder Virtue is so bulky, it’s got another Gundam inside it! A Gundam with long hair is a cool look.

      After doing so good Sergei’s team just sits there gawking, giving Tieria the chance to blast them.

      Since you screwed up this time, Tieria, should you be the one executed or kicked out of Celestial Being?

      Now that Hallelujah is in control, Soma has no effect on him?

      Hallelujah seems quite sadistic. Can’t imagine that will go well for Celestial Being if he has control for a long period of time. Once Ming dies he’s seemingly back to normal though.

      ***

      **Quid’s Voice Actor of the Day**

      Today I’ll be double dipping, featuring both **Soma Peries** and **Haro**, as they share the same voice actress in both Japanese and English. In English they are voiced by **Arisa Ogasawara**. This is her first and only Gundam appearance. She also appears in Panty & Stocking with Garterbelt as Panty, Wolf’s Rain as Cheza, Cowboy Bebop as Meifa and Star Driver as Mylene.

      In English they are voiced by **Tabitha St. Germain**. Her first Gundam role was Gundam Seed, where she played Flay Allster, as well as that show’s Haro, and Birdy. She returned to play those roles in Gundam Seed Destiny where she also voiced Abby Windsor and Hilda Harken. She also appears in Death Note as Naomi Misora and has a ton of western animation credits including appearing in over a dozen versions of My Little Pony.

    12. **First Timer – sub**

      >”Gundams are the physical embodiment of Aeolia’s ideals, so why are the Meisters so imperfect?”

      It’s the line that defines the show so far, and perhaps reveals the big flaw at the center of the plan itself and why this team may never have worked. In general I’m quite enjoying the exploration the inherent duality that all of our pilots seem to have, and that is being expressed through the connections with their machines. If you took some of the scenes of them interacting with their mechs away from the context of the show or their other backstory scenes you could still draw a lot of understanding of the characters from just a few lines. In a way it reminds me of how revealing and subtly slightly deceptive the Wolfs Rain character designs are, and though people may find that an odd comparison, and it probably is to compare dialogue to visual design, but it’s positive one as I think very highly of those designs.

      Setsuna we know, his whole “I am a Gundam” thing is very well drawn from the backstory that opens the entire show and what we see from subsequent missions. The lines between him and his machine are quite distinct, but he is actively seeking to thin them because that is his security, his understanding of the only path he feels is left in this world after the destruction of his world by people. He is a pilot and his machine, but they are not separate as they cannot exist without the other any more, and while he seems to want to fully embody what the machine and plan mean to him, he can’t separate himself from his human past either.

      Lockon has the cleanest distinctions. Giving him Haro, an intermediary to his Gundam, creates a distance the others don’t have and represents how he is perhaps the most human of them all. It may also be a reflection of the fact that he is the only one shown so far with family bonds, that even through tragedy he had a human influence in his life that we know Setsuna and Alelujah did not, and most likely Tiernia didn’t either. That this human bond is a twin is equally interesting because it represents another “him” that he is disconnected from despite his desire to connect with everyone else around him, and now seeing the duality in the other pilots makes me even more curious as to the rest of their backstory.

      Then we have Tiernia today and what a build up into what’s actually going on with him, a few things it seems like. When Nadleeh was revealed, my first thought was “The man in the machine”, and how true that seems for its pilot as well.

      >”Do you intend to take on Virtue alone?”

      It’s a great line to introduce his battle with Soma, and very telling for himself.

      Virtue is the armor that hides Nadleeh, but it’s also the armor that Tiernia wraps himself in. The coldest and most calculating of the four, someone who puts the plan above everything and would sacrifice all of the people in CB for it if needed. If the plan is the virtuous bible of CB, Tiernia sees himself as a needed inquisitor to ensure the plan stays on track. And that is reflected in the raw power of Virtue itself, having near unbeatable sheer offensive power and defensive capability, an armor of zealotry that cannot be defeated by the mere expressions of other peoples beliefs.

      And today it is shed and he is revealed at once to be both more and less then that role.

      Nadleeh has an incredible design. I did look up the name Nadleeh as it rung a bell, and it is a term used for a social class in Native American culture which is associated with gender fluidity, specifically feminine men, which makes Tiernia’s own design very fitting. But this fluidity also being represented in the nature of Nadleeh itself is very interesting. Despite being a Native American term, although third and even fourth genders are in plenty of cultures historically, the whole sequence reminded me a lot more of a Samurai.

      The shedding of armor was both physical and symbolical and the [facial section coming off](https://imgur.com/Jmfahpc) reminds me heavily of a [Men-yoroi](https://i.pinimg.com/736x/fc/a5/76/fca57646dbb515511b8f3734f7587bb4.jpg), the styled masks worn by samurai made to look like faces. The armor comes off, and so does the mask, and instead of virtue we’re left with a person exposed in the center, once again the man in the machine, and the rawness that comes with that. Being unable to hide behind Virtue is seen as a failure in itself, and we see Tiernia at his most venerable. I was struck by [this visual of the remnants of Virtue around him](https://imgur.com/6b5wfXD), and that while they are the discarded parts, the neatness of it contrasted against the wild hair of Nadleeh is striking and makes the connection that virtue was an armor, a disguise, and not a completely separate self (as we see in other characters).

      And yet there is something more. Tiernia showing scenes of tech in his eyes is what makes me think that his story will be closer to Alelujah’s than Lockons. I’m not quite sure what to make of it yet, but the way that it seemed to appear for Nadleeh and not Virtue makes me wonder if he is somehow the template that the League used for Alelujah, the same sort of connection they’re striving for.

      I noticed that when Tiernia is upset about distorting the plan, he calls out to Veda in his distress, while in earlier scenes with Wang and the other pilots, they always put Sumeragi first at the forefront of the plan and predictions, both successes and failures. That Tiernia, who has shown nothing but distrust for people and their abilities to play their role for the plan, would put this emotional emphasis on the computer instead of the human controller is very fitting, almost a plea for forgiveness from something that has no emotions.

      Awkward transition, but to sum up the original point, if Tiernia is the man in the machine, Alelujah and Hallelujah are the biological machine in the man, a created from both engineering and trauma that reflects all the many natures of humanity within him. I do still really like that they are both aware of each other and can interact with each other from the get go, as it does make it far more interesting than the usual play of this sort of character. I don’t have much to say I didn’t last time, but I’m still quite enjoying the interplay between the two characters and that this isn’t going to be a neat situation of Hallelujah just saving Alelujah or one showing deference to the other.

      Putting all that aside, I enjoyed that the quality of the battles tactical writing carried through to the rest of it in today’s episode. The plans within plans continued, and even as things started to fall apart having clear goals, outcomes, and a plan to fall back made Sergei’s experience and skillset feel so much more real than a lot of other high stakes battles tend to be, where stuff is just made up on the fly even by the leading characters.

      We didn’t get to see the analysis, but including things like the fact they have analyzed the timing between each shot Virtue can do, the layout of the nets to properly ensnare Kyrios wings, the organization of the teams to separate each Gundam and keep them separate where possible, knowing how to immobilize joints and then reinforce that (even if they did underestimate Virtues raw output, though how could they not). When combined with yesterdays strategies, it’s a level of planning and thoroughness I don’t know I’ve ever seen in a mecha battle before. Or perhaps even any action sequence outside of “this was my plan all along” sort of scenes with a manufactured twist, and it makes a fantastic watch

      It also helps sell Sergei as a character so much more. Understanding Soma’s potential disappointment about battle “excitement”, honoring the last soldiers sacrifice, being able to adapt to changing situations quickly with a cool head and always balance the plan against the viable outcomes. He’s suddenly a hugely fascinating character beyond just being the “avatar” for the League. (slight tangent: I wish Sumeragi had better dialogue this episode, it makes her characterization look weaker that she repeats the same stuff as she did last episode)

      I think I said it in reply to someone yesterday, but it is interesting how each of the ace’s for each bloc are very distinct and both embody and seem to counter their blocs political style at once, continuing my theme of duality from above. You have Graham who is very skilled and knowledgeable, but also full of somewhat reckless passion which is against what we’ve seen of the Union’s calculative side. Patrick who is just a right doof at his best and not very thoughtful which is ill fitting for the AEU’s more cooperative and thorough stance for its member nations, even if it does embody the “front” of competence they want to put up to the others despite lagging behind. And now Sergei showing not just the experience and control that the League has presented, but also compassionate and well respected despite the League doing what *appears* to be the dodgiest stuff of the three.

      What an immeasurably stupid way to start the episode though. I almost could have forgiven it if it had relevance to anything else going on in the episode, but going from Louise being the most pathetic brat right in the camera to the seriousness of the pilots being under threat and wondering about the enemies plans was one of the outright worst tone flips I’ve seen in mecha. I almost turned off the episode because of it, and she’s becoming one of those characters that just ruins my mood.

      I didn’t want to end it on a bad note but needed to get that complaint out there, so instead sheer shock that Lockon survived, no one was captured, and no real damage was done (physically at least). For the situation they were in at the end of last episode, this is about as good an outcome as they could have had without them just being amazing and over powering everything.

    13. TakenRedditName on

      **Rewatcher – Gundam 00 Ep10:**

      Complete random non-important note: It feels rare to see a [character dressed up in a nice kimono in Gundam.](https://i.imgur.com/69tw1iu.png) Besides Lacus’ sorta kimono outfit, I feel like IBO is the first time a main character wore one.

      [](#hardthink)

      [Oh hey, that’s what I say too when I am minorly slighted.](https://i.imgur.com/ACmPbw0.png)

      Random chance to notice how similar [Tieria and Tieren](https://i.imgur.com/1Txkic4.png) are for two names to have in your show.

      [I think these grappling hooks are neat.](https://i.imgur.com/kPvs1jO.png) Mecha cables are always cool to see.

      So like, Gundam is doing gender again with Nadleeh, right? There has to be something with how Nadleeh is a feminine form, a secret that was forcibly revealed to the world, right? A point when the character is most vulnerable. [They gave the Gundam long flowing hair](https://i.imgur.com/LDY5jkh.png) for Pete’s sake. Either way you read it, I am always excited to see Gundam do gender stuff. At times, it may be difficult and questionable, but it is interesting to gnaw on.

      [](#csikon) [](#happyclap)

      Tieria is really going through it. His self-image is just totally collapsing as he swaps between different pronouns to refer to himself. That is one thing English doesn’t have. I find it such a nifty way to signal a character’s story through the words they choose to conduct themselves. Tieria went from [his usual strong tough masculine “ore”](https://i.imgur.com/fYF4T1g.png) to more polite and sensitive forms. The way he wants to project [himself falls apart in this weak and vulnerable state.](https://i.imgur.com/cGWTUt2.png)

      On a completely different note, isn’t it so romantic that in the vast deadly emptiness of space/the battlefield, Hallelujah meets someone like him, someone who can understand what it is like, being a monster robbed of their humanity made to kill so kill he will.

      [](#ookii)

      Also, I noticed that [Hallelujah has his helmet visor up.](https://i.imgur.com/Rd3Or8Z.png) That takes my mind in two places. The simpler one is how it is a sign of characters not afraid of their death (due to high skill or acceptance which both fit Hallelujah). The other is how it represents being more connected to space/others. In this moment, Hallelujah is Newtype-ing out is exposed and connected to someone else he is feeling.

      The Kyrios claw seems like it is built to specifically murder and they gave it to the one guy who will take pleasure specifically murdering (sometimes).

      ___

      **Q2)** By god, through reverse engineering, the HRL now has an army of Tierens with beautiful robot hair.

      [](#sobright)

    14. **Firsttimer** who might just be able to read other comments soon…ish

      * Louise looks pretty nice in her [Yukata](https://imgur.com/QSPsZCG) I’m sure Leon will have the stitches… unfortunatly she is still draging [this guy](https://imgur.com/9Noypun) along [](#kaguyasigh) I don’t even think Louises mother would dissaprove, if only he wasn’t so incredible [pathetic](https://imgur.com/549M7kt)
      * Even before the [interference with Soma](https://imgur.com/y9qvPMc), the Kyrios did little to prevent [capture](https://imgur.com/p3arVcf)
      * Why does [this](https://imgur.com/y3XTv1I) remind me of some casting couch [](#lewd)
      * I love Tieria just [evaporating](https://imgur.com/mchnbcb) his foes… also, [who](https://imgur.com/8zVLNzk) exactly was he talking to here [](#blankblink)
      * I don’t think it was entirely necessary to kill the [whole](https://imgur.com/2rssPnG) [crew](https://imgur.com/EQ4c2Xl)
      * It’s kinda ironic how quickly the virtue got [overwhelmed](https://imgur.com/RriNVaN) after Tieria did the [talk](https://imgur.com/kj5mc7J)… also, [kinky](https://imgur.com/SJi1w6r) [](#ero)
      * [Those eyes](https://imgur.com/KyTblCP) be kinda cool
      * I wonder how much of the [kit](https://imgur.com/eBsPgZ4) could [shed](https://imgur.com/amCcsjq), also, fabulous Gundam Hair [](#awe)
      * Even though it was an emergency, I [get it](https://imgur.com/YNb5LRt), imagine they are in the endgame and just when it looks like earth might win, there is a second, bigger healthbar above the Gundams
      * [Watashi](https://imgur.com/2Ef1i6I) [](#fujostare)
      * I started calling [Haptism](https://imgur.com/nOR0kI4) [Halleluja](https://imgur.com/Mbq542z) before, so the only difference between him and his [alter ego](https://imgur.com/49rg6Kj) being a single letter was surprising… I guess Halleluja is also slightly… [unhinged](https://imgur.com/FNvAwYp) [](#illyastare)
      * I guess he is a bit better refined than Soma, looks like he can pretty accuratly predict her movements
      * There are a [few](https://imgur.com/RsjWe7v) [hints](https://imgur.com/ucgRUid) as to where Haptism might originally come from, seems a bit personal
      * [Lots](https://imgur.com/xJDsSF7) [of](https://imgur.com/nKAU8u4) [crying](https://imgur.com/s2MZCIS) today [](#therethere) though tbh, without the context it’s hard to feel with them

      QotD

      * Nope, why can’t a Gundam not be just chonky [](#howcouldyou)
      * Don’t know how far they would have gotten without the pilots consent, but eventually they would have been able to bruteforce it, at which point the value of the pilot falls dramatically. I think brainwashing would have also been possible

    15. **First Timer**

      Well, Celestial Being managed to avoid a *complete* disaster, but that definitely doesn’t mean things went great… 

      At least Tieria gets to do very cool things with Nadleeh this episode … and then proceeds to have a mental breakdown about it. I honestly feel bad for the guy; he’s totally dedicated to the mission and seems to have nothing else going for him. I hope we get to see exactly why he’s that way. 

      Meanwhile, we get a look at exactly what Hallelujah is all about (RIP Ming) and Allelujah’s resulting angst. I know they have that whole confidentiality thing (plus I can’t imagine he’s especially eager to talk about it), but I can’t help but wonder whether Celestial Being knows about Hallelujah and if knowing would affect their willingness to let Allelujah pilot a giant mech. You’d think they’d see the sadistic alternate personality as a massive liability. But then none of the Meisters seem to be particularly reliable in any sense, which Wang Liu Mei comments on at the end of the episode. 

    16. InfamousEmpire on

      **Kidou Senshi Rewatcher 00**

      This episode, in combination with the last one, serves a very key purpose in the overall narrative: showing that Celestial Being is not invincible and the gap between them & everyone else is shrinking faster than they might like. And while the episode is admittedly much lighter on character, worldbuilding, or thematic exploration than its predecessors, it more than makes up for it with nail biting tension.

      This episode is just so goddamn intense in a way that’s so hard to even fully articulate for me. The fact that the HRL got as far as it did with the capture operation combined with the fact that one of the Gundams being captured at this stage would be an interesting plot turn just gave this feeling of pure uncertainty regarding the outcome of the whole ordeal when I watched it blind, and even on rewatch, that tension is still there because of how balanced & engaging the whole fight is.

      That sense of tension really does carry the episode all the way through, especially as the Nadleeh reveal & later Hallelujah’s arrival really keep you on your toes throughout the whole thing. The former especially for how striking it is & how its status as a major disruption in CB’s schedule, so to speak, really does illustrate how, even despite nothing technically being lost, CB has lost ground to the power blocs in a meaningful way regardless.

      And, in between all that, there’s some character moments that really strike a chord with me. The most prominent of which obviously being Tieria’s breakdown after he unleashes the Nadleeh. For all his devotion to the plan has made him come across as a stubborn, emotionally-detached jackass, it’s quite clear that he also holds himself to the same standard and that a not unreasonable amount of his emotional & mental state is tied to the plan. Allelujah’s bout of self-loathing right after Hallelujah’s attacks isn’t quite as affecting to me, but also works.

      Speaking of which, it’s Hallelujah time, baby! [](#crazedlaugh) He’s just great, a delightfully psychotic murderer whose gleeful hamminess serves as a really strong contrast against the otherwise somewhat grounded characterization seen in the show so far.

      You also really gotta give the show credit for how much they were able to make the HRL forces sympathetic right at the end there. The way the show emphasizes the sacrifice Ming made to ensure the rest of the force got away in combination with the sheer compelling sadism of the way Allelujah killed him made for a really strong moment.

      To offer a bit of criticism to the episode, though, this is unfortunately one of the few times when Saji & Louise aren’t the best thing in the entire universe. Shocking, I know. I feel like starting the episode with them before cutting back to the main plot didn’t really work in terms of how it fits with the tone of the rest of the episode, and the scene itself didn’t really add to their plotline or utilize their general narrative role in any interesting way, so it doesn’t really even feel like the scene *had* to exist & was just poorly placed.

      Speaking more personally, this episode really stands out because, when I first watched it as a teenager, this was the moment I realized I absolutely *loved* Gundam 00. Between the nail-biting tension I already described and how strongly I emotionally reacted to Hallelujah killing a rando of all things, this was the one which made me realize that 00 was gonna be something truly special to me.

    17. First timer. Dubbed.

      Poor Saji.

      Allelujahs reaction to the pink Gundam approaching him and touching his robot is basically every bigots reaction to anything that they consider woke lmao.

      Did Tieria’s Gundam just… transition? And I take it that Tieria feels… what, shame for revealing his Gundam’s alternate (and quite possibly true) form? Is this some Trans stuff I can’t begin to truly understand yet without more context? I ask all of this because of what I know about how Tieria was originally designed, [which is admittedly very little](https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/1fyjxof/rewatch_mobile_suit_gundam_00_episode_2_discussion/lqve91k/).

      Still though, as despicable as Hallelujah was when he was basically torturing that man to death, he wasn’t entirely wrong in calling out how fucked the HRL is for thinking their actions as noble and orderly. Not even Smirnoff Spin thinks the country he’s defending is okay.

    18. ###First Timer!

      * [Yukata Louise](https://i.imgur.com/DI1v2u9.jpeg)

      * [Gundam Nadleeh](https://i.imgur.com/GoxDvr7.jpeg)

      I love how yesterday’s episode ends with the Gundam Meisters getting pinned then we open this episode [with Louise dealing with her mother.](https://i.imgur.com/q0RRDFk.jpeg) It must be nice to have your only problem be your mother not approving your not-boyfriend. xD

      Anyway, back to the action in space! Is it just me or is it bullshit that Setsuna is having a hard time dealing with a bunch of grunts? I understand why [Lockon is struggling](https://i.imgur.com/RlGrUYP.jpeg) but for some reason, these Tierens are just evading all of Setsuna’s shots and he’s having a hard time getting close to them.

      [While I do find it hilarious how Taozi is carrying Kyrios away](https://i.imgur.com/6yf8bYj.jpeg), it’s so frustrating that Allelujah gets taken out by fucking brain waves. It’s not even a fight! He only got captured because he’s reacting to Soma! They need to figure out something to counter this in the future if there is still a next time for Allelujah.

      Thank goodness Allelujah still has a next time [thanks to his alter ego waking up.](https://i.imgur.com/PAOOAjo.png) I kinda feel bad for those engineers and that transport but they signed up for this.

      [**YOOOO! VIRTUE HAS A PURGE ARMOUR FUNCTION?!**](https://i.imgur.com/EWOZmyh.jpeg) That’s so fucking cool! I did not know Gundam Nadleeh is Virtue! I’ve seen gunpla kits of Nadleeh but I thought it was just a new Gundam that would be introduced later. Sergei and Soma would’ve been vaporized [from those twin cannons](https://i.imgur.com/Ivb1Qfy.jpeg) if they hadn’t retreated.

      [Goddamn, Allelujah!](https://i.imgur.com/I0ywKjk.png) This alter ego of his is fucking brutal. There was no need to make that dude suffer. Also, it looks like the crazy one is [called Hallelujah with an H?](https://i.imgur.com/XsoJloi.png) I’ve seen both spellings of the name and I thought it was just a translation error. Allelujah is the chill one.

      [Fuck off Sergei.](https://i.imgur.com/QfqRbEE.jpeg) You don’t get angry at them for killing your men. You’re the ones who started this fight thinking you can capture a Gundam. Unless he’s upset about Hallelujah torturing Ming, then I would understand why he’s angry there at the end.

      [Wang Liu Mei brings up an interesting point.](https://i.imgur.com/h75yZss.jpeg) So far, the Gundams seem to be unstoppable but all of their pilots are heavily flawed in some way. Wasn’t it mentioned that the supercomputer Veda is the one who chose them? I’m guessing there’s a reason why Veda chose them as pilots. Hmmm…

    19. **Rewatcher**

      Yeah, Saji’s gonna need to work on that confidence of his.

      Anyway, back to our regularly-scheduled ambush.

      Allelujah gets taken out like a chump thanks to feedback from Soma’s QBWs.

      Woah, Virtue actually uses its bazooka with an over-the-shoulder grip. I honestly didn’t remember that being the case (I had also noticed it hold it that way but without firing in previous eps.)

      You’ll also notice that the bazooka only has two grips but holds it from three separate places. To use all three, Virtue needs to physically remove a grip and replace it in a different location.

      Heat chainsaw looks pretty badass for something that isn’t intended to be a weapon. Unfortunately, Hallelujah has something a bit spicier than that.

      Meanwhile, Tieria demonstrates Virtue’s raw physical power, to no avail. But, if you watched the previous eps at .25x speed you might have noticed that its designation is GN-005. If Exia is GN-001, Dynames is GN-002, and Kyrios is GN-003, where is GN-004? Well, Gundam Nadleeh has been hiding in plain sight all along. I’m actually not sure how exactly the armour purge manages to break Virtue’s bonds but who cares when we have Nadleeh’s *luscious locks*. They’re actually cables to provide GN Particles to Virtue’s armour, by the way.

      Yeah, you should stop being so arrogant, Tieria.

      [00 Spoilers] >!Fun with pronouns here. As you might know, Innovades are technically genderless, and while Tieria is generally recognised to be male, this won’t be the last time the anime fucks with his gender presentation. And if you’ve clicked on this spoiler, you know what I’m talking about.!<

      Was that the first ever hit Dynames got in this entire battle? Geez.

      And now Hallelujah’s back to take his pound of flesh. But he tunes down the energy output of his SMG because ~~the plot says Soma needs to live~~ he likes playing with his food. Instead, let’s see the incredibly slow and agonising death of a redshirt. Like seriously, holy shit.

      [Next Episode preview] >!Allelujah deliberately murders hundreds of children, and it might not even have been the wrong thing to do!!<

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